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Title: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 11, 2013, 12:12:43 PM
http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Asfr_Wiki

By wazzupg, StoneLad & co.



To-do list:
  • Decide for once what to do with the Categories system, before the number of articles grows.
  • Improve the overall low resolution of the images.
  • Improve the front page.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: StoneLad on January 11, 2013, 07:44:03 PM
Ah, I almost forgot about this! I was linked to it once before, but I don't know who made it. I'd be all for helping if possible!


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: wazzupg on January 11, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
I actually made this wiki spent a lot of time finding the scenes and uploading the pictures onto it. I made it to be like a more convenient asfr master list which ,as many of you are aware of, is no longer updated. The best way to help would be when you find a scene upload it to the wiki and post it here that way you can get a preview of the scene or if it is removed have the information in an easily acessible spot. If you want to upload I only have a couple of rules

1. Put it in the correct category

2. Upload pictures if possible

Thanks and have a great day. :)


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: StoneLad on January 12, 2013, 04:10:25 AM
Got it, added three pages and a video game category already.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 12, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
OK, this has a great potential.

wazzupg, if you don't mind, you could make StoneLad an admin of that wiki, I'm sure he'll find a lot of ways to help with the layout and will contribute a lot.

I would ask you to make me an admin too, but I don't have much spare time right now.

EVERYONE WHO READS THIS, SIGN UP AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WIKI!


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: wazzupg on January 12, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
I think you and stonelad would be fine admins even if you don't get on too much I could still use quite a bit of help.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 12, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
I think you and stonelad would be fine admins even if you don't get on too much I could still use quite a bit of help.

My username is "asfr11" on that wiki. I guess StoneLad's will be the same as here. So, if you feel like it... I'm open to it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: StoneLad on January 12, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
I make 3 pages, go to bed, come back to find I'm an admin! Didn't really expect that, thank you to both of you! I'll have to fool around with wikia tonight to see if I can come up with a good default format to use for pages.

Right now, though, if anybody is going to make new pages with photos, I recommend making a description of the scene at the top of the page and then adding a gallery with your photos below it as opposed to using the "add photo" feature multiple times. Also, I think we should add a link and give credit when using images/videos made by someone else as I did on the Johnny Quest page.

EDIT:  By the way, this is mostly irrelevant right now, but in the future can I make a few edits to the medal system?  Looking into it, I see you can make medals that revolve around making pages/edits in certain categories which opens up all sorts of fun possibilities later (i.e. making edits to the Gold Page could have a Midas-related achievement, etc)


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 13, 2013, 06:43:35 AM
Another change I think that should be done is changing all the live-action things (movies, music videos, tv shows, advertisings...) to the category "Live-Action". That would make it more simple, and I don't think there's a need for a separate category for each one.

What do you think about it?

EDIT: Also, can you edit the page layout so that it covers the whole screen in panoramic resolutions?

EDIT2: Although I dislike the Wikia wikis (I prefer Wikidot), some can be quite good-looking. Check this One Piece Wiki to see more or less what we should do: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: Skynet on January 13, 2013, 10:04:03 AM
Sorry if I didn't report here first before I started making edits on the Wiki page.

I'll try to add in the descriptions for the pages as accurately as possible. Feel free to change my writing if you spot any errors though.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: StoneLad on January 13, 2013, 04:14:22 PM
Another change I think that should be done is changing all the live-action things (movies, music videos, tv shows, advertisings...) to the category "Live-Action". That would make it more simple, and I don't think there's a need for a separate category for each one.

Well, if we're going to do that, why don't we do it the same way on here?  Either way, I think it kind of makes sense.  I mean, cartoons and anime are tv shows too but not in the tv show category.

EDIT: Also, can you edit the page layout so that it covers the whole screen in panoramic resolutions?

EDIT2: Although I dislike the Wikia wikis (I prefer Wikidot), some can be quite good-looking. Check this One Piece Wiki to see more or less what we should do: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I'll look into the panoramic thing.  As for the second edit, I found where I can customize the theme of the wiki but I didn't want to do it without checking with wazzupg first since it's still his wiki (same goes for editing achievements).

Also, I added a "Stone" category last night since I felt the statue category was too broad to cover so many materials.  I mean, I left the statue category in since I can see people wanting to find all flat out statue transformation scenes but I think adding more specific categories for each material would be nice too.

Sorry if I didn't report here first before I started making edits on the Wiki page.

I'll try to add in the descriptions for the pages as accurately as possible. Feel free to change my writing if you spot any errors though.
WHAT?  YOU STARTED HELPING US WITHOUT TELLING US FIRST?  YOU FIEND!  Seriously though, thanks for the help,  I don't think we need to report here or anything (although I suppose it would be easier for coordination).

EDIT:  Ok, I will say whoever edited the Statues category did a great description, but it would fit better in the stone category.  If you go through the statues category, it actually includes all materials of statues such as gold and glass, not just petrification.  I'll just copy and paste everything that's there and move it to stone.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: Skynet on January 13, 2013, 07:13:32 PM
@above

That would be me. But then again, I deserve that punch in the gut for not reporting in > <

Regardless, who demolished the front page though?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - Is any of you behind this?
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 13, 2013, 08:28:52 PM
I don't want to sound harsh, but I disagree when you say this is wazzupg's Wiki. A Wiki, by its own nature, is nobody's "property". It's an open thing where everyone contributes with as much or as little as they can. Of course, we should create a "hierarchy" and discuss all major changes such as what you say about the "Badges", but any change for the best should be done automatically, in my opinion.

So... to avoid losing the point, let's create a To-Do list for the Wiki. I'll edit it in the main post of this thread whenever I can, and to the Wiki's Main Page. This way, we'll improve it in a more organized way.

Gentlemen, let's work.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 13, 2013, 11:22:14 PM
@Skynet:  Oh, it's ok, I honestly made the same mistake the first time I looked at that category.

@FrozetaShintoriFan:  My personal vote is to have a category for each type/material of transformation (stone, gold, etc) and for different types of media.  The types of media could include Anime, Manga, Video Game, Comic, Cartoon, Live Action, and Story/Written/whatever we want to call it if we ever have entries for it.

Another thing I want to bring up is what types of pages we should have.  Right now, we have pages only for categories and scenes.  Do we want to consider having pages for websites? How about pages for series containing a lot of ASFR that link to each scene within said series (things like Pre(tty)Cure come to mind)?  Or maybe pages with common transformation catalysts like Medusa/Gorgons/Cockatrices/King Midas/etc?  I think scenes should be top priority for now, but it couldn't hurt at least considering broadening the horizons in the future.

Also, I've looked into it and unfortunately, removing the sidebar is a violation of Wikia's Terms of Service.

I'm going to play around with a few visual things on the Wiki now.  Nothing will be permanent but it'll hopefully look just a bit better.

EDIT:  Ok, I've done some cosmetic work, tell me what you think.  It's probably not final but it'll do for now.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on January 14, 2013, 07:10:37 AM
Sounds good. The front page and the new icon looks great too ;)

Anyway, about the format of articles... we could try following the Wikipedia format as usual. Title, Content, Description, and if possible, some reference links below would be the most common format used by all wikis IMO.

Edit : btw, how do you make those drop-down tables used for the contents section?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 14, 2013, 08:08:07 AM
My idea for categories:

Anime - Cartoons - Comics - Manga - Live-action (no need to distinguish series or music videos from movies or advertisings here, IMO) - Videogames - Fanart (some may belong to two cateogories, such as Fanart and Videogames, though)

Stone - Ice - Mannequins - Metal - Wax - Sand - Wood - [any other materials] - Timestop (although I think it doesn't belong to this wiki, a lot of people seem to like it, so no problems adding it)

About the articles' structure:

Title: Series - Number of episode (or season, and number of episode) - Title of episode
(i.e. ONE PIECE - Episode 412 - The Heartless Judgment! Marguerite Turned to Stone!!)

Description: A little description of the scene. No personal opinions here, just tell what happens.
(i.e. In this scene, 3 amazon warriors are turned into stone by a heart-shaped beam shot by their leader. The transformation is instantaneous, and they look shocked. The texture is a basic "all-gray" texture.)

Opinions: Quoted opinions on the scene, an X/5 rating system and your name.
(i.e. "Although the initial transformation may be disappointing, since it's insantanous and the statues are not too well drawn, later interactions with the statues help the scene a lot. A good scene overall." 4/5 - asfr11)

Screenshots:

Download/watch links: Here, I'd prefer External links instead of Wiki links, since all the Wiki does is linking to the real videos, anyway. And, for a preview, we have the Screenshots part.



If you agree with my point of view, you can add this to the Wiki's Main Page.

Also, Skynet, you have the Table tool in the Edit article page.

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who would prefer "Cartoons" to "Cartoon", "Videogames" to "Videogame" and so on, in the Categories?

EDIT2: Here's a sample of my proposed layout: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Bakuryuu_Sentai_Abaranger!_Deluxe!_The_Abare_Summer_is_Frozen_Solid! (http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Bakuryuu_Sentai_Abaranger!_Deluxe!_The_Abare_Summer_is_Frozen_Solid!)

Do you know how to fix the images' position?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on January 14, 2013, 10:03:08 AM
Thanks to everybody that has helped so far you are all doing great.'

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Here's a sample of my proposed layout: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Bakuryuu_Sentai_Abaranger!_Deluxe!_The_Abare_Summer_is_Frozen_Solid!

I like that layout quite a bit I think that we should do that to all the current and future pages of the wiki.

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Timestop (although I think it doesn't belong to this wiki, a lot of people seem to like it, so no problems adding it)

I think there is some timestop already on the wiki if I recall what I currently have posted on it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on January 14, 2013, 10:15:50 AM
Relating to the categories; I think that live action would make the topic a little too broad; I feel like changing all the music videos, movies, etc into just live action would be just like moving all the cartoons and anime into
an animation category even though they are different.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 14, 2013, 11:03:14 AM
I like that page layout, assuming you use a gallery instead of a list of screenshots down the side because that doesn't look very good.  I do have one question/problem with it though.  My original idea was to have scenes that have multiple adaptations on the same page for ease of access similar to something I did on the Minish Cap page: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_The_Minish_Cap (http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_The_Minish_Cap) and I don't see how it could work with this layout.  I mean, we could separate them and have a link between pages, but I just think if we don't have all that much information on a single page anyways that combining them would make comparing the scenes easy.

EDIT:  I did make one small change to your layout:  I made the reviews into a table since the formatting looked weird when the review ran over onto a second line.  If anybody wants to add their review, they just need to edit the page/the opinions section, right click the bottom row of the table, go to row -> add row after.

EDIT 2:  Edited the page again to turn the screenshot list into a gallery.  It pushed the links section to the far bottom of the screen but looked nicer, so I moved links above the screenshots.  How does that look?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 14, 2013, 11:27:55 AM
@wazzupg
OK, although I still think that the differences among live-action music videos, movies and advertisings are lesser than between manga and comics or cartoons and anime.

Besides, there's much less live-action media than all the other categories.

I think we should vote this...

@StoneLad
I think there should be different pages when it comes to those situations. We could add another section to articles called "In other media" or something like that (you're the native English-speaking person here, you can come up with a better title...) and connect with the other scenes of the same series in a different media that way. Or even better, a "Comparison with other similar scenes" section in both articles, with a little description of the differences.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 14, 2013, 11:46:36 AM
Well, I do not want cartoons and anime/manga and comics merged.  I prefer the anime art style so I don't want to go through other kinds of stuff to see it.  How about a compromise where we have Live-Action Movie, Live-Action TV, and things like music videos and ads into a general Other category.  I know that sounds awkward with two "Live-Actions" in there, but it would at least cut the number of current LA categories by one while opening up an "other" category in the event of future disagreements over things like this.

Either way, I'm looking into making a page template to make having new pages follow a format easier, but the way Wikia handles this is...well, just awful.

EDIT:  Ok, is everybody fine with the Abarangers page format?  I'll change the name to the name - episode number - episode name scheme, but other than that, I want to know if everybody agrees to that format so I can begin transforming old pages to the format.

Also, for future reference, when taking screenshots from a video download VLC media player.  It's a nice media player anyways, but it also comes with handy frame by frame feature as well as a screenshot feature.  It's what I used to quickly throw together the entire bus screenshot for the Pretty Cure scene.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on January 14, 2013, 05:43:42 PM
Relating to the categorizing again I think that we should feature a live action category in the front page, but keep the categories on the pages the same so that all of the live action videos are in one area and they can access the other categories through the other pages. I hope that makes sense.

Relating to the Minish Cap page we could keep the two subjects on the same page we would just do the layout twice except we only have one table of contents.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 14, 2013, 06:51:12 PM
Too late, I already separated it  ;)

The more I thought about it, the more I realized keeping everything on the same page could cause problems later since we plan on including the episode name in the title of series articles.

I think having subcategories would be fine such as the statue category right now.  I mean, it's not like we'd really be flooded in categories if we keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't go overboard.  Also, when It think about it, I tend to avoid artwork in a music video since it tends to not be well done, so I'd have a reason to have it in a separate category that I don't necessarily want to see.  Plus, we have it split between TV and movies on Medusa Project right now and it hasn't seemed to cause a problem.  If we were to have categories and subcategories, we could have something similar to the following.

Media Categories
  • Live Action
    • Movie
    • Television
    • Advertisement (perhaps put in "Other" category)
    • Music Video (perhaps put in "Other" category)
  • Animated
    • Anime
    • Cartoon
  • Drawn
    • Manga
    • Comic
    • Web comic (maybe)
    • Individual work (maybe)
  • Written Work

ASFR Types
  • Statue
    • Stone
    • Gold
    • Wood
    • Wax
    • Mannequin
    • Metal (maybe combine with gold)
    • insert other materials of statues
  • Ice
    • Frosted (where victim has icicles/is turned white/covered in snow)
    • Ice Encasement (where victim is frozen in a block/crystal of ice)
  • Flat
    • Mirror (trapped in a mirror)
    • Painting (transformed into a painting)
  • Time Stop

Obviously, this isn't comprehensive as there's more materials and stuff than that, but I think you get the idea.  The way I see it, as long as we don't go overboard (i.e. dividing stone into marble, granite etc; dividing Frosted into icicles, victim turns blue, victim turns white, etc), it'll still look nice and give people plenty of options on how they want to view material.

There are some grey area problems with this model (as there is with any model, really).
1) What about something like say Carbonite freezing?  Would that be statue or flat?  Maybe its own category?
2)  More importantly, would a visual novel be listed as a video game or a comic/manga?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on January 14, 2013, 07:25:18 PM
Stonelad the way you organized that is perfect. I couldn't have asked for any better.

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What about something like say Carbonite freezing?  Would that be statue or flat?  Maybe its own category?

You could enter it under both categories or we could make a new category your call

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More importantly, would a visual novel be listed as a video game or a comic/manga?

Once again it could be both I think it's more like a video game but it your call on this one too.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 14, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Well done, StoneLad.

In my opinion, carbonite freezing should be in a new category called "Merging", together with "wall mergings".

A visual novel is a videogame, as I see it, at least.

Also, avoid the "Other" categories, unless it's something really hard to categorize (no examples come to my mind at this moment). Even then, it should just be an "Unclassifiable" catergory, not "Other". That's too vague...

And please add an "Edible" material for the "Statue" section, with chocolate, candy and all of that. And a "Cardboard" transformation to the "Flat" one, like what happens in the first Power Ranger series' episode "No clowning around" (here, at 06:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veVFACuvdQA ).

Keep it up! :D

EDIT:

Should we consider adding a "Context" section to summarize more or less the story of the scene, so that the "Description" part may be a bit more like a neutral narration of what happens, something like "X is turned into stone by Y. X looks shocked/confused. The transformation is somewhat slow, the victim struggles during it. The resulting statue is marblish, with a rough texture that hides part of the victim's features" ?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 14, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
Alright, good to see that people like that category idea.  I take it it's settled then.

As for visual novels, I figured they were video games but I know I've seen a number of people that refuse to call them as such.  Also, about the Edible/Cardboard thing, I had noted I left stuff off.  I had cardboard and others on there but didn't want the post to be longer than it already was or to have someone keep going "What about ______?"

(and about the cardboard thing, that was the exact scene I was thinking of as I typed it but decided to leave it off anyways).

Also, I think the context/description could be combined.  Context will also describe how the victim is petrified or whatever, and the images speak for themselves on how the victim looks.  You could probably just add the other info you mentioned (the speed of the transformation, struggling victim, etc) to that.

EDIT:  Actually, I change my mind, context would be fine to add separately.

EDIT 2:  I am testing using a new template for article stubs with a custom notification/picture thing I whipped up.  Tell me what you think.  It doesn't contain the links that the normal stub notification does, but really, was adding a link to adding to the page 1 inch away from a button that does the same thing helping anyone?  Check it out here:  http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Astro_Boy_-_Episode_34

EDIT 3:  Ok, hopefully this is the last edit.  I've also added a template to handle articles with low resolution pictures.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Statuerandomguy on January 15, 2013, 01:24:16 AM
I got a better quality pic for the iron man episode.
http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man-_The_Grim_Reaper_Wears_a_Teflon_Coat

Here: http://i.imgur.com/AW1Ax.png  Hope the quality is good. I would put it myself, but I don't know how to edit the wiki  :-[



Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 15, 2013, 01:53:33 AM
Got it and already added it.  Thank you!


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 15, 2013, 07:08:22 AM
Good job with the templates. I think we need these (some may overlap with what we have):
- No images.
- Images are low-res, needs better images. (We should stablish a minimal resolution for the images. Anything below that gets this template).
- No videos.
- Videos are low-res, needs better videos. (Same as with the images).
- Not enough info.
- Not wikified.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on January 15, 2013, 07:15:39 AM
Hmm, about the statues page... on top of 'Food' transformations, I'd suggest changing the 'Gold' transformation to 'Metal' instead, because metals can lead to chrome, steel, gold, bronze and what not. What do you guys think?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 15, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
We could do "gold", "chrome" and "other metals", since gold and chrome are the most common ones.

EDIT: Should we create a YouTube account for our Wiki (or several, in case of copyright whacking) and post our videos there, but keeping them "Unclasiffied" (you could only access through the wiki) to avoid the copyright issues as long as possible?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 15, 2013, 09:59:59 AM
Yeah, that'll probably work.  That page still really hasn't been touched since we decided the categories, and I had just kind of threw something up quickly when I made it.

Also, we could try that youtube account thing (I know I have video for quite a few of these scenes) although I think they still check unlisted videos for violations just as often as public.

Finally, for the templates, I think those are all fine.  I'm a bit confused by what "Not wikified" means though.  Is that just the formatting?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 15, 2013, 10:10:58 AM
Yes, just the formatting.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 15, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
Well, I'm not sure we need that since I've been reformatting pages as I've been tagging them.

Oh, a quick formatting note:  If there's a section we have no information for (such as links or opinions), I recommend just leaving it off for now.  There's no sense in saying "Links:  NONE" if we're going to have a "no video" tag.

Which brings up a new question:  Do we need a category for scenes without reviews?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 15, 2013, 02:51:12 PM
Nah, reviews are just optional. Descriptions are the important part.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on January 15, 2013, 08:38:46 PM
Updated descriptions for multiple pages. Also, I moved the edited description of "The Victim's life as a Statue" back to the main statue page because I feel that the article itself speaks out to all of the victims who are turned into statues, rather than leaving it in the stone page.

Also, I'd like to use the two following images as references on the 'Glass' page.

ttp://gray.sakura.ne.jp/~flap/gallery/meidoco/meidoco_f_bbs015.htm
ttp://gray.sakura.ne.jp/~flap/gallery/meidoco/meidoco_f_bbs008_009.htm

Then again, this is MEIDOco I'm talking about. I'm not even sure if he/she will be happy about seeing the work posted up there.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 15, 2013, 10:31:24 PM
Oh, that's funny, I was just thinking over using fanart (someone else's though) for something and had a similar question.  Also, in case you were wondering why your Mannequin changes suddenly disappeared and reappeared, when I hit compare versions on Wikia, it had showed that you only changed one thing and the main change had a typo.  I hit "Rollback".  I scrolled down after I hit it where it had the preview of the page and it turns out you had added a whole ton of stuff it didn't have in the comparison.  Then I found out rollbacks can't be undone but undos can so I had to copy and paste a bunch of stuff and re-edit it.  Sorry.

I've added new templates similar to the stub and poor image quality notifications.  We now have notifications for...
  • Stubs
  • No images
  • No videos
  • Poor image quality
  • Poor video quality
  • Broken Links

I left formatting problems off because it's easy to edit the page and throw it quickly into format while adding notifications so it would be counter-productive.  I also plan on rolling out new achievements for some or all of these categories to encourage people who like that sort of thing to edit pages that need editing.  Expect achievements for stubs to roll out some time tonight.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on January 15, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
Ah no wonder. I'm fine with that, it's just that it kinda caught me confused for a moment there.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 16, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
I have a question regarding the Ice category page.  Currently, it lists crystallization under this category.  However, I would argue that an actual transformation into an ice sculptures differs enough from the other two freezes to have it moved to the statue category.  We should also rename the category as "Ice Freezing".  Why leave ice on the front?  Simple:  Because technically, time stop is "freezing" in place so it could avoid any and all confusion possible.  What does everyone else say?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 16, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
English is not my main languages, so my opinion may not be too useful.

"Crystallization by low temperature" should be in the "Ice" category. "Being turned into a crystal transparent statue" should be in the "Statues" category. IMO, of course.

Besides, I think that since "Ice" is the general category, with "Ice encasement" and "Ice freezing" as subcategories, repeating "ice" there seems natural to me. Does it sound bad for English speakers?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 16, 2013, 10:35:34 AM
But are there any scenes where the victim literally transforms into an ice sculpture (as in becomes a statue made of ice, not just covered in ice) as a result of low temperature?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 16, 2013, 11:28:41 AM
Yes, there are. Any game in which you can freeze and shatter your enemies, for example.

Or the One Piece freeze scene.

And I'm sure there are a lot more. 


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 16, 2013, 11:40:47 AM
I don't think they're made of ice, though, I think they're just frozen solid to the core.  It's kind of like the one Terminator in Terminator 2 when he freezes in the liquid nitrogen or when that guy's finger breaks off in Pirates of the Caribbean:  At World's End.

EDIT:  Does anybody know how to make those little navigation bar menus at the bottom of pages like on other wikis?  You know, where they typically link to articles with some sort of relation to the current one, but not necessarily the category bar?  http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Bros._3  - I'm talking about stuff like the bars at the bottom like "Game Boy Advance Games".  I know I've seen them on Wikia before but have no idea how to make them.  I think having those for scenes in a series with lots of ASFR (like Pretty Cure) would be a nice way of making categories of something without actually making a category or page for it.

EDIT 2:  Ok, figured that out.  Now, are we going to set up that YouTube channel?  If so, who is setting it up?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 17, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
I see no difference between being frozen to the core and being turned into an ice statue...

Also, the more YouTube channels, the better, since less videos will be able to be taken down at once. Remember to put the videos as unclasiffied, though, to avoid them being reported too quickly.

So... whenever you want to upload something, just create a channel and go for it. It takes less than 2 minutes to create an account. Have a .txt to keep track of your accounts, though (user, pass, and videos on it).


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: silvery on January 18, 2013, 09:21:19 AM
The Girlturnstone blogspot just put up copyright warnings about the use of their images allover the place, in English.

I sure hope that has nothing to do with the assembly of our wiki.

Y'know, just saying.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Linkrlz on January 18, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Quote
Copyright Warning:
Any reproduction of images To Any database (ex:wiki) IS NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT PERMISSION.
I'm pretty sure that's a definite yes.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 18, 2013, 07:37:46 PM
Meh, just ask him for permission in 3-4 languages and that's it.

Tell him we're doing this for the community, that we don't have any intentions of earning cash with this and so on. Just be polite.

...

All politeness aside, that guy is being a little meanie, anyway. As far as I know, he doesn't own any copyright on the images either, he shouldn't get that way because we share a few screenshots, ffs...

EDIT: Politeness added, sorry if I offended anyone.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 19, 2013, 01:08:51 AM
Well, this is my fault.  I used them and gave permission because I figured since they were screenshots of pre-existing scenes that this would be fine, but I can understand the position that he took the time to collect this stuff.  I know him claiming copyright isn't right as he doesn't own the scenes, but I think that could just be a translation misunderstanding.

Also, don't call him a cunt, he did go through the trouble of finding all of these scenes.  There's a legitimate argument that we're taking pageviews from him for stuff he went through the trouble of finding, and my effort to give credit each time I used his images was meant to offset that.  Plus, I happen to know that he goes on here from time to time as I have asked - and received - something I asked for from him once a while ago on that blog.  Without him, there's a great deal of scenes I never would have seen in the first place.

EDIT:  I've downloaded a program that allows me to make massive edits at once.  I've used it so far to delete a large number of problematic images.  If you notice an image that has mistakenly been deleted, please tell me so I may undelete it.

EDIT 2:  This is going to take me a while as this managed to all hit the fan on the weekend I'm actually busy for.  I'm hoping to have the images all deleted by the end of the weekend.  Sorry for any inconvenience this has caused to anybody, I'll be more careful next time hopefully.  In the meantime, let's try looking for video clips of these scenes so that we can get our own screenshots.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 20, 2013, 02:30:15 AM
I'm going to go ahead and make a new post instead of an edit since I want people to see this without overlooking the thread thinking there was no new info.

I've taken all of the problematic stuff down (or at least, I'm pretty sure I have).  So, I really am going to need help finding many of those screenshots again as I don't have many of the scenes.  I highly doubt I'll ever be able to find screenshots that high of quality again by myself, but if anybody can find screenshots of scenes in at least 480p/i, it would be greatly appreciated if you could post them.

Given the problems of this weekend, I doubt I'll be posting as much for a while due to outside problems and fear that I'll screw up again, so expect my personal contributions to the wiki to plummet soon.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 20, 2013, 07:55:40 AM
In my opinion (and I'm talking as a person, not as a forum mod, nor as a Wiki editor), we should just ignore whatever the blog author says and post the images without his permission. To avoid complications, we could just invert them all (mirror them horizontally) and be cynical dicks about the fact that they're the same images, negating it all the time.

His main problem is that he knows he's posting copyrighted material and doesn't want any attention to be brought to his page, to avoid legal consequences. OK, we agree with that. So, we're not going to give him any credit nor any traffic for them.

Anyway, what I think that would happen then is that he'd close his blog, or change the address, or something, so we don't want that either...

Well... I'm short of ideas here, then. Any solutions?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 20, 2013, 10:48:45 AM
Well, it would solve the main problem of copyright attention to his blog, but it could also reduce whatever traffic his blog has, would be taking work he put lots of effort into collecting (even if he did not make it himself, it still takes time), and if it closed his blog I'd feel horrible. Actually, I'd feel bad just for doing it. Oh, and the mirrored thing would be both silly and obnoxious at the same time.

So yeah, I'd prefer avoiding that.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Linkrlz on January 20, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
In my opinion (and I'm talking as a person, not as a forum mod, nor as a Wiki editor), we should just ignore whatever the blog author says and post the images without his permission. To avoid complications, we could just invert them all (mirror them horizontally) and be cynical dicks about the fact that they're the same images, negating it all the time.

His main problem is that he knows he's posting copyrighted material and doesn't want any attention to be brought to his page, to avoid legal consequences. OK, we agree with that. So, we're not going to give him any credit nor any traffic for them.

Anyway, what I think that would happen then is that he'd close his blog, or change the address, or something, so we don't want that either...

Well... I'm short of ideas here, then. Any solutions?
Stop being a complete dick?

I can sympathize. The art I commission, while not drawn by me, I hate seeing it anywhere I don't upload it myself.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 20, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
Stop being a complete dick?

I can sympathize. The art I commission, while not drawn by me, I hate seeing it anywhere I don't upload it myself.

I'm not being a dick, just a bit rough. And you're completely wrong here, anyway.

If it was his artwork, or artwork commissioned by him, I'd accept his will of not wanting it posted elsewhere, since he'd own the copyright. But he doesn't own the copyright of any screenshots on his blog, so it's not the same situation at all.

He doesn't want the screenshots on the wiki simply because he doesn't want to be whacked for copyright infringement. The same reason he doesn't want his blog to be linked from the wiki, too. He wants to keep it as unnoticed as possible, to avoid possible legal consequences.

So, would posting without giving him credit be something bad? I don't think so. We could just invert the images too, to avoid him being tracked by image search engines, since he's so determined on "not being found".

Would that impact his number of visits? I doubt it, since he would post the ASFR news, and he has his Japanese vistors, who are the biggest part of his visits, and who will ignore the wiki, anyway.

Would we be taking advantage of his "hard work"? I doubt taking several screenshots of your fetish is something close to "hard work", to begin with. Besides, he's the one who doesn't want to be credited.

Of course, this is just my opinion. Perhaps, I'm too pragmatic. Also, I don't want him to close his blog as a retaliation or something, so I won't make any action. But, as you can see, I completely disagree with his point of view, and I think the only one here who can be called what Linkrlz has called me is him.



Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 20, 2013, 02:44:00 PM
I don't want a full fledged argument to break out here, so could we please stop the name calling of people on here please? It's getting us nowhere.

There's an easy way to settle the argument over how much work it is to find these scenes in high quality: You go find the same scenes he had pictures of in the same quality he had. I know I couldn't find the Mushrambo/Shinzo scene in the same excellent quality he had past night in an hour of trying, but I could have been looking in the wrong places. If you find the scenes in the same quality he had them easily, then we'll both prove that it's not "hard work" AND that we wouldn't "need" his blog in the first place.

Good luck.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 20, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
We're arguing but we're all cool (at least I know I am). We know what the problem is. And we know there are two ways of solving it:
- The "fuck-it-all" way: We take what we want and fuck the consequences.
- The "good" way: We retreat and accept the conditions of someone who would or would not do the same in our situation.

Since you're against the "fuck-it-all" way, we need go the "good" way, be polite and all of that, which, in the end, is just a loss of time, but this is a democracy, so no problems for me.

If you want to find the scenes, you could try searching for them in different languages. Even more, about the Mushrambo/Shinzo one, I think there's a thread in this forum which had download links (probably dead by now, but there must be more information).

EDIT: http://medusaprojectonline.com/forum/index.php?topic=302.0

EDIT 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCUPKtj_HXg

This has taken me less than 5 minutes. Your Google-Fu is weak...  ;)


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 20, 2013, 03:41:26 PM
Oh, I found the scene, it was the quality that was the problem (and I can't check the quality of yours until tonight since I'm on a mobile device, I'll edit/post later once I've seen it). The blog's screencaps of scenes are damn near perfect where every copy I found was good but not great.

EDIT:  Ok, I have it and nope, it still isn't as good as the one on the blog.  I mean, it's fine enough but it still lacks a bit of sharpness/detail.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 21, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Copying here a PM I've sent to acbdefg, which is relevant to all the mess I've done.

I've taken no action on this, just stated my opinion. Words are words. Perhaps people in my country say things to the face in a more straight way than anywhere else. Whatever.

The main point here is that he's trying to defend copyrighted material as if it was his own. I share every ASFR media I get, so I dislike when people don't do the same. I have overreacted, it seems, but that doesn't make my point any less correct.

Anyway, since it's obvious I've been wrong here with how I've said what I wanted to say, tell me his username, and I'll apologize as much as I have to, because I don't want any troubles with him (just as I don't want any troubles with anybody). We're all people, we're all equal, even if we have different opinions.

If you want, just send this to him:

"Hello, I'm FSF (aka asfr11). I have said things which may have offended you. I deeply apologize for those words. I'd really like to know how to speak your language to apologize directly to you.

As an "elder member" (and almost founder) of this community, I think that sharing material is one of the pillars of any fetish community (and even more one with relatively little material, such as our petrification community). And thus, I think I overreacted when you stated you didn't want to share your material, when you didn't want it to be on the new ASFR wiki. And perhaps, my words on this forum made the situation even worse.

To me, you were just being selfish, and even a little childish, not wanting to share the material (which is fact copyrighted material and whose rights are not yours, anyway). The thing is I didn't know about how hard you've had to "dig" to find some of the materials on your blog, and how much work you've put into it.

I apologize for everything I've said, since it seems I've been the selfish one, myself. I've forgotten that behind your blog there's a person with his own interests, likes and problems.

Feel free to restrict the use of your material as much as you want, since the work you've put into it justifies it. Of course, we'd like you to share it with us, but it's up to you if you want to do it or not. I know you don't want to bring much attention to your blog, since you don't want any legal problems with the copyright issues. We were just giving you credit for your images as a sign of respect.

The idea of sharing without giving you credit seemed fine to me (since you'd avoid "legal problems" that way and you were the first one who didn't want any credit), so I don't get why you didn't accept that, too. Then, my words went a bit over the top, and you know the rest.

Don't misjudge these words. I'm not saying them so that you share your material with us. I'm apologizing to you as a person, more than as a "petrification lover". I've trespassed limits which shouldn't have been trespassed, specially when it comes to respecting other people.

I sincerely apologize. I hope "acbdefg" can translate this to you accurately. If you want to reply, you can ask him to send me a PM on your name, or send it to me directly (if you feel confident with your English).

FSF aka asfr11"

Let's hope he accepts my apologies...

Sorry to you too, for any troubles I may have caused.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 25, 2013, 11:18:59 PM
Thank you, FSF, I'm sure there's plenty of other people including me who appreciate that apology.

---

Going back to wiki matters, I've had someone bring up how we should handle non-ice encasement since it doesn't really fit in the statue category.  Should it be its own category?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 26, 2013, 06:38:30 AM
How about "Ice encasement" (since it's the most common) and "Other encasements" for all the rest?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 26, 2013, 11:37:37 AM
But ice encasement is already under ice (and named "Trapped").  Would we put it under both Ice and Encasement?

Also, I forgot to mention I added an example page that shows how pages should be laid out.  Non-admins can view the source code but not edit.  This way, if people are making a new page and are not sure how to lay it out, you can copy the example page's source code and paste it in the new page's source.  You can then edit the text and/or remove sections as necessary.

http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Example_Page There's the page if anybody wants to see it.  There's also a link to it under the welcome message on the main page.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on January 30, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Would like to contribute, but have to wait until my laptop's repaired. The wiki itself is a great idea though.

The thing that I'm unsure about is whether future entries there is all considered worthy enough. Which means, for a scene, some people will think that it is good and should be placed in the wiki, while others may think not.



Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on January 31, 2013, 12:22:46 AM
I'm not sure what you mean.  Do you mean scenes where some people consider it ASFR and some people do not?  Or do you mean the quality of the article itself, in which case that's what the stub tag is for.  I really don't see myself or anybody else completely deleting articles just because they don't look as good as the rest even though they cover a new ASFR scene.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on January 31, 2013, 08:12:31 AM
Just post whatever you think that's related. Try to keep it "Wiki-like", though, by copying the Example Page's style: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Example_Page

Any help is welcome, no petrification must be forgotten, no matter how minor the scene is! :D


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: sovietmisaki on February 02, 2013, 06:23:21 AM
I seem to have some trouble with getting most of the pictures to load :( not all of them, though most


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 02, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
Is it specific pictures that won't load or does it just happen randomly.  If it's on specific pages, could you link to some pages which are giving you problems?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Linkrlz on February 02, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
Is it specific pictures that won't load or does it just happen randomly.  If it's on specific pages, could you link to some pages which are giving you problems?
It seems to be the Rosario+Vampire you uploaded recently.

"This item is no longer available, but now that you're here, explore the Asfr Wiki!"

I haven't checked them all though.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 02, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
Yeah, I'm getting that too now.  It's weird because I clicked on one, it worked, then went to another and it didn't work, then went back to the first one again and it was broken too.  Maybe it's just a glitch.  I figured if they had removed it, they would have sent me an e-mail but I didn't get anything.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: mikehunt2911 on February 03, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
Hey its good to see this asfr wiki has taken off. I thought it seemed like a good idea if more people could contribute to it.

Anyways I added a couple pages as well as a couple higher resolution pics to existing pages.

I'm wondering if user created content like manips or even short videos could be added. I guess that might clutter things up a bit though. Just a thought


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 04, 2013, 02:03:27 AM
Thanks for the help, we can take all we can get!  Just remember to try to stick to the established format seen in the example page (on the top bar, you can find it under Help us Out! -> Example page) or on other pages.  I forgot to include notes on naming the articles, though, so I'll go do that now.

As for fanart, I think we should mainly focus on official stuff right now.  Fanart is a unique category that would require figuring out a very specific way to handle the articles so that we're not overrun by them.

EDIT:  I also didn't realize until you uploaded your screenshots that they could have gallery thumbnails that large under default settings.  As a note of future reference to everyone, I think we should try to keep it down to three columns on the page (you can change the number of columns and the size of the thumbnails on the gallery editor until there's no horizontal scroll bar in the preview)


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on February 04, 2013, 06:29:25 AM
About Fanart, I have two different ideas to keep it controlled:

1) One entry per artist. No individual pages for each work, but one for the whole artist, with a link to his gallery and some highlights in the pictures section. Nevertheless, any possible entry here should be voted, to avoid filling the wiki with "minor" artists.

2) One entry per category. We create different categories ("Fanart - 3D", "Fanart - 2D", "Fanart - Photomanips" and so on) and list the artists there, with external links to their galleries. I prefer this way, although some artists like ArgoForg or Drake may deserve an individual page for them.

What do you think?



Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 04, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
So with the 2nd option, would you list people who do multiple types on each page?  Other than that problem, I think that's the preferred option.

I'm not really sure about having pages dedicated to artists because it raises multiple questions:
1) What would you put on their pages other than links to their artwork?
2) How do you choose which artists get a page and which don't?
3) How do you keep it from getting too opinionated?

While having pages for some artists makes sense to me, the problem is some people might get upset that they're left out of getting their own stuff.  That, and I think it would be hard to write up a page on an artist without including some sort of opinion in it.  I mean, even if you say something like "So and so is one of the most influential artists", you might have people disagreeing with it and deleting it and replacing it and so on.  I've seen it happen before even on small wikis.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on February 04, 2013, 12:35:23 PM
Not quite agreeing to put fanart into the wiki. Would much prefer if the wiki contains stuffs from actual media, besides fanarts already been hosted at numerous sites (pixiv, DA etc) IMO.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 04, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Well, I think it would work more as a fanart directory - linking to the artists' pages since it's all relevant to our interests.  Actually uploading the artwork would offend many of them, I'd imagine - especially without permission.  And I think it would simply be too much of a hassle to track everyone down for permission anyways.  I agree that the primary focus should be official media, but linking people to fresh stuff is always good since I know there's many fanart sites that I still haven't found that I've seen others talk about.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: mikehunt2911 on February 04, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
Sorry i didn't see the example page. Feel free to change anything around. I'll be sure to follow those guidelines in the future.

As for the fanart i agree it could get very messy. The most I would do is a link's section that could perhaps break down the artists by category. And then maybe a sample picture for each artist that they can upload on their own or by someone else with permission. I think it could be a good addition if it's done well.

Also what is the policy on the Wiki about nudity? I didn't notice much if any except for seeing one of my video clips on one of the pages.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Statuerandomguy on February 04, 2013, 08:24:01 PM
I found the movie ''The path of 7 sins''. Since I don't know how to use the wiki, I'll post the pics here. Hope you guys like the quality. If you don't, I apologize, but this was the best quality version I could find.

http://i.imgur.com/Fm9Ktqa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lqNUc51.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BEbcgXT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/21eeYWc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G7AX3WW.jpg


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 05, 2013, 01:18:59 AM
Hey, it's ok, I always have loved the first victim in that movie.  Great scene, thanks for sharing!  I'll make a page after I round up some more information on the movie.

EDIT:  Sorry, I missed Mike's post.  I am not quite sure of Wikia's policy on nudity, but to avoid any attention, I'd prefer that they be hosted off-site and linked to in the links section.  You should include a notice at the top of the screenshots section saying more are available in the link.  This is how I handled the Shadow Lady scene, for instance.  I have seen wikis on wikia that made their own "This page has content unsuitable for minors" notice, but they all used it for characters with skimpy clothing, not full on nudity.

And don't sweat missing the example page, I've already fixed the pages.  I'll try to figure out a way to make it more obvious later.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on February 06, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
Quick question: How do I add templates to articles?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 06, 2013, 11:50:58 AM
You mean the "No Images", "Low Resolution" article things?  Go to the bottom of the page and type the following things:

{{Stub}} for Incomplete articles
{{LowResPhotos}} for Articles with low resolution images
{{NoImages}} for articles with no images
{{LowResVideo}} for articles with low resolution video
{{NoVideo}} for articles with no video
{{BrokenLinks}} for articles with broken links

There's also {{PrettyCure}} and {{Negima}} for articles belonging to those series, but you'd have to edit the template pages to add new articles to them.

I should probably make a tutorial video or something about all of this, or maybe a tutorial page


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on February 06, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Low resolution images = somehow I think it might be OK to upload those images and update it for time to time if found any better ones. It is better than have no picture at all though, furthermore good resolutions of medias from 90's and before is a little bit difficult to find, IMO.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 06, 2013, 03:47:51 PM
That's the point of the tag:  it's saying there's images, but better ones could probably be found.  That way, people can just go to that category and look for articles with low resolution photos to see if they do have higher resolution photos.  Yes, low quality is better than none at all.

I have been using it less frequently on older shows and such since I do realize there probably isn't a better way to get those images.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: toodlum on February 06, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
Just got registered on the WIKI.  Looking forward to contributing some content.  :)


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 10, 2013, 06:59:29 PM
So, I just had an idea about the wiki:  We should consider having multiple language versions of the articles.  I mean, it kind of seems silly that this site is multilingual and yet we only support English on the wiki. I've been looking into how to have a multilanguage wiki and unfortunately, the recommendation is to start another wiki and just link between them.  However, I think we could make duplicates of pages and use different categories to keep the languages separate (aka Stone category would be Piedra, etc).  You could also have the languages on the same page with one language's version of the article in the top half and then the other language before that.

All methods have their pros and cons.  For the "Different pages, same wiki" idea, it's convenient to have everything on the same wiki.  That also makes it easier to share resources as opposed to having to reupload all of the photos and content onto a different wiki as well as keep articles looking similar.  However, searching for content would be annoying since you could potentially get all of the same articles twice.  You'd also have naming conflicts with the article names and stuff.  For the "Same pages, same wiki" idea, you'd remove the naming conflicts but it makes going from article to article harder since people reading the language at the top of the article would have to either scroll down past all of the other language content or go to the top and click the bottom of the table of contents to see the categories/related pages.  Finally, for the "Different wiki" idea, you wouldn't have any conflicts between content, but it would be annoying having to reupload everything and content that lands on one wiki may get overlooked and not make it to the other one unless someone double checks both wikis from time to time.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on February 11, 2013, 06:50:14 AM
In my opinion, one language is just fine.

I think most people visiting the Wiki are just looking for pictures and videos, whose language is "universal". And most people on the Internet speak English, anyway.

Besides, both of your ideas have big cons. Two wikis would mean double admin work. Two languages in the same wiki may end up being too chaotic.

We're fine the way we are.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: mikehunt2911 on February 11, 2013, 01:29:52 PM
Agreed. And most internet browsers nowadays have options to translate a page to a different language.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 14, 2013, 10:12:20 AM
As a notice for everyone:  The Treasure Hunter Mink article's photos have been deleted.  I need to look up the ToS for Wikia to double check, but I think it automatically bans things like nudity and pornography.  In the meantime, to be safe, I'd upload them to another site and link to them with a NSFW warning in the link.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on February 14, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
^ Oops, my bad on that one x.x


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on February 14, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
Nah, it's ok, I never really made that too clear on there.  I should probably make a rule page or something to help spell things out a little more clearly that are buried in this topic.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on March 30, 2013, 11:25:24 PM
Not very familiar with wikis in general so want to ask if there any limits to images being uploaded to the wiki?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on March 30, 2013, 11:31:05 PM
I'm honestly not too sure myself, but I would avoid nudity just to be safe.

Which reminds me:  that dimbulb user I'm pretty sure has uploaded tons of images without using them including nudity so I should probably clear those out sometime.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on March 31, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
I wouldn't upload any nudity at all, but if you think it's needed, upload it to an external site and post the link, instead of adding the images to the Wiki's archive.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on March 31, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
Oh, and to be extra safe, be sure to say (WARNING:  This link contains nudity) or something when you post such links.

EDIT:  I made a new rules page.  Are these rules alright with everybody?  http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Rules

If there's no complaints, I'll go through and delete all of the unused images.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on April 10, 2013, 07:24:11 AM
I seemed have some difficulties uploading images to the site. Don't know whether it is due to my Internet connection or the site itself.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 10, 2013, 10:38:17 AM
What kind of difficulties?  It won't upload or they won't show up?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on April 11, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
Sometimes it won't show up, but it already stored within the wiki. Also I did got an error screen once when trying to use the "Gallery" and "Photos" section which means I have to use the "Source" window rather than usual "Visual" to get the formatting right.

I think it mainly due to my sucky Internet connection right now as seems other contributors haven't got any problems uploading stuffs anyway.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on April 11, 2013, 10:12:40 AM
...and apparently that Dimbulb user is incensed that his topic got edited lol. Guess someone needs to tell him about the rules and formatting.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 11, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
I already commented on his page and on another page he made regarding rules and stuff.  I'm honestly surprised it took him this long to get mad that he can't read.

By the way, thank you a lot for your contributions.  I'd love to contribute more, but a vast majority of the collection on my computer comes from girlturnstone, and the ones that don't I either can't find information or their legality status is questionable.  Things like the Queen's Blade Manga come to mind for the second one because it appears that most sources of that manga have been taken down due to copyright infringement.  My rule of thumb is "if I can find multiple sites that have it available for free and are easy to locate, then I'll risk it".


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on April 13, 2013, 04:07:44 PM
Well it does helps that I've a habit of getting the entire episode of those scenes rather than relying on the short scenes that are available. Although it sometimes annoying if the subtitles can't be erased, particularly from the old medias. Couldn't contribute much for the manga-related aspects so far, so I'm not very aware about the copyright status.

Anyway is the "Opinion" section in the wiki are required? Not too keen about it, and I'm not really good in writing those 'reviews' so I tend to avoid it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 13, 2013, 04:36:22 PM
Yeah, I try to find the whole episode too.  Plus, I've found there's certain parts some people have left out so it's always beneficial (unless of course, the episode is blocked in certain countries).

The Opinions section isn't required and you don't have to write one if you don't want to.  If you leave sections of the article blank, simply don't include them:  the first person to add information to them can add them.  What I mean is if you don't want to add an opinion and you're first creating the article, instead of having the opinion section and leaving the table blank, just take out the whole section.  Later, if someone wants to add an opinion, they can add the section.  Really, the most important section is the description:  you should never leave that blank.  Context and Screenshots are the next most important.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on April 13, 2013, 11:35:34 PM
As you'll be aware, I've just joined the Wiki, and I'd like to share a few thoughts and queries. Sorry if this gets a bit long.

First of all, I'm pretty vague as to what constitutes an Individual Work. If others are equally confused maybe that's why it doesn't have any entries yet! An original painting, mabe? There may be some interesting ones out there, but the majority ASFR artists don't just produce one-offs. This also leads me to wonder if there oughtn't be a Creators category. There are certainly one or two people I could write articles on. (Sorry if any of this has been touched on before, but I've kinda dived in at the end of the thread.)

Secondly, there are a few works I'd like to feature but I'm not 100% sure of their eligibility.

First of all, "Blowed Up Good" ( http://p-synd.com/bug01.htm - link is to relatively SFW front page, after that... oh boy). This is a 4-page strip I found on the web and reposted after the original post vanished. The heroine gets turned into a sex doll/balloon, which is certainly ASFR but doesn't fall into any of the current categories. I guess it would be a sub-category of statue.

Another item I found online and rescued from oblivion is the CG picture strip "Planet of the Amazons" (NSFW throughout for nudity and sexual references - begins at http://p-synd.com/amazons/pg01.htm ). Nude amazon warriors fight nude gynoids.

Apart from the apeal to robot fans, the amazons get zapped with ray guns, which don't actually transform them, but produce a kind of orgasmic paralysis - they can't stand up, but have enough movement in their arms to stroke themselves or their partners. I'd argue that paralysis can count as ASFR even if there's no transformation involved (which also begs the question of whether Paralysis should be included as a category), but this one may be borderline.

Finally, there's "Nightshade the Merry Widow" (a spinoff from a currently offline series called "Dreamwalk Journal"). This is a webcomic I've been following since it began, so as a fan I guess I'm biased. Also, it's VERY NSFW due to its sexual content. How do I even begin to describe this one? OK: Cyeatea is a world where everyone is naked and has loads of sex, even if not all of it is consensual, and where paralysis and bondage are a regular part of their sexual rituals. Oh, and one other little detail that might be worth mentioning - all of the characters are hybrids of human and insect or spider. A Bug's Sex Life, if you like. It's hosted on DrunkDuck here (registration required for Adult material): http://www.drunkduck.com/NIGHTSHADE_THE_MERRY_WIDOW/ Note: IGNORE THE FILLER ART, which is based on a completely different series.

What the authors have done here is to study aspects of insect predation, like wasps paralysing spiders and laying eggs inside them, and subverting them into a kind of non-lethal erotic game - giving a whole new meaning to "sexual predation", I guess. So while Cyeatea's humanoid wasps do indeed paralyse their spider prey and lay eggs inside them, their paralysing stings cause extreme sexual ecstasy rather than pain, and the newly-hatched wasps don't eat the spiders, they just feed on their fat reserves until they're ready to emerge. At which point the paralysis wears off, leaving the unwilling host hungry and thirsty but very much alive and well.

OK, so - it's certainly different, and there's at least a passing ASFR interest, but as the authors themselves have admitted, there's probably only limited interest in a strip about insects with big boobs and willies. Even so... is it worth an article, do you think?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 13, 2013, 11:55:27 PM
Well, when I wrote "individual work", it was more just me copying over a list I quickly made on here when we weren't sure whether fan works would be included.  Honestly, I'll probably end up erasing that until there's a bit more consensus on whether fan stuff should be included.  As such, the things posted from Reverse Pygmalion Syndrome should not be posted at the moment.  Sorry for the confusion.

The last thing posted would still fit as a webcomic though so it could have a chance, but I'd need the opinions of others on whether we should include it/whether it counts as ASFR as defined on the wiki as I do not take NSFW content very well at all so I'm not even going to bother clicking on the link.

EDIT:  Come to think about it, maybe Idle Minds shouldn't be on there either.  I really need other people's opinions on this.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on April 14, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
Speaking of confusion Reverse Pygmalion and The Pygmalion Syndrome are two separate and unrelated sites. I guess I should put a big banner on my logo saying so (like on the old Worldvision Enterprises logo on TV - "Not affiliated with World Vision International, a religious and charitable organization").

Anyway, I guess the whole issue of NSFW material needs a thorough discussion, because there is an awful lot of it out there and it would probably be dishonest to deny its existence.

As for Idle Minds, I'd be sorry to see the article go, partly because I spent so much time on it and partly because it ties in neatly with Ian Samson's involvement with The Wotch. Even if it doesn't count as ASF Rdirectly, it could still be seen as being about ASFR.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 14, 2013, 09:24:35 PM
Well, I'm more inclined to keeping it myself.  Since Ian Samson put those works on more "official" sites and not general sites like deviantART, and the focus isn't so much just on pure ASFR as it is stories that happen to have a lot of it, I think it's different than usual fan stuff.

Also, sorry, I don't know which site is which because apparently, I can't even connect to Pygmalion Syndrome on this computer and I visit neither of them (again, don't like most NSFW material).

Right now, outside of fan material, I have a WIP stance on NSFW material on the wiki which is scenes can receive articles but NSFW images cannot be used - they must be linked to off-site with a warning next to the link.  As for language, I'd be more delicate.  Saying two people have sex is ok, but going into too many details about body parts involved and such would probably not be safe.  For example, (ugh, going to hate myself for having to write something like this but oh well), saying something like so and so have oral sex is fine but saying someone sticks their penis in someone else's mouth isn't.  Maybe.

Honestly, it's hard to draw a line here so yeah, more opinions would be appreciated.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on April 16, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Actually I much preferring the actual media in the wiki just like the old abandoned ASFR Master List rather than fan artworks, like what I said before there are tons of them in the Net already and being hosted in various specific sites like DA. I do think that all the fan-works can be compiled into one list with links (and previews) rather than have their own dedicated page in the wiki. For webcomics this can be an exception, as it can't be classified as fan-work for me unless there are a specific webcomic for ASFR stuffs.

Furthermore, for me ASFR in actual media is unique as I think the scenes mostly not being made to please us ASFR fans, and that's the main difference between it and the fan-works because we couldn't expect to find those gems in the media really.

Unclassified ASFR scenes:- I do consider robots as ASFR, but I didn't have any problems with the wiki rules for not listing it (for me there aren't any good scenes out there anyway). Still, we have to explain our stance regarding the ASFR classification in the wiki clearly as this might be a put-off for potential contributors to contribute. For the "Blowed Up Good" comic, as the wiki already listed Pygmalion Syndrome in the site so maybe we don't have to put a specific dedicated page for it. Also, sex doll TF are mainly on fan-related works - couldn't find such scenes on actual medias so far.

And yeah I agree about the stance on NSFW. We really can't escape from it so the NSFW policies for the wiki is fine for me.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on April 16, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
Well, the idea I had behind fanworks/sites is to have a list similar to the one currently on the front page of the wiki, but with more fleshed out descriptions.  I'd prefer to have it more on a separate page than on the front because it seems like that could inflate quickly.

If we were to do that, though, I'm still curious as to what people would like to be included in such list.  For example, would you have a section on deviantART and then list a ton of individual artists or would you just link to groups like Marble Gallery/Inanimate-TFs/any other groups I may be forgetting?

Also, I think the problem in regards to "what is ASFR?" is that so many people have so many different interests that if you include certain things, that may put people off rather than bringing new people in - like, they'll see some of the stuff included, have no interest in it, and be turned away.  Then there's the problem that some categories are extremely different for the rest:  for example, I have zero interest in robotization because there's mobility involved and the key thing that brings the rest of the categories together for me is immobilization, but at the same time, the R in ASFR is robots so it seems awkward not to include it.  Then again, another person could also say transformation is the key thing trying it all together and thus ice freezing/time stop shouldn't be included.  I just really don't know what to do on that front because any definition that's written will likely be slanted towards who is writing it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on May 03, 2013, 11:43:18 PM
This thread seems to have stalled, so let me see if I can't try to get it started again.

The problem with deviantART is that there are an awful lot of artists contributing, but certainly linking to the groups would be a good idea.

As for definitions of ASFR, obviously as you say that's a personal thing, but the very fact that it's a wiki means there will be lots of different opinions involved. The only thing you can hope for is that when enough different opinions are present they form some kind of collective consensus - a case of "many hands make light work" if you like. (Or if it doesn't work out like that, maybe "too many cooks spoil the broth" would be more appropriate.)

As an example, I'd suggest that immobilization without physical transformation is equally valid (and there's certainly enough of that on my site). An example I'd cite is the manga Tokyo Crazy Paradise, which had a scene where people get transformed into "living art" for sale - alive and paralyzed in display cases and the buyers know it, but not actually changed (the scene is also showcased on my site, no pun intended). I'd like to include it on the Wiki, but there's no category for it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on May 13, 2013, 06:38:18 AM
I think I just saw a tumbleweed roll by.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on May 13, 2013, 10:06:18 AM
I have created a survey to figure out the definition of Asfr; if all current users of the wiki or all users planning to join the wiki could please take this survey it could be very helpful in defining asfr.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1JUrPeCO0Unv0fLLc6pFEdXWJV8UxG_GikJuYfxerdL4/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1JUrPeCO0Unv0fLLc6pFEdXWJV8UxG_GikJuYfxerdL4/viewform)

If you think I left anything out of the survey please message me on this forum or the wiki.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on May 13, 2013, 04:06:24 PM
Not fully completed transformation process - considered ASFR right?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Skynet on May 13, 2013, 04:48:09 PM
Yep. Partially transformed, as in, half body or spread wave... and if I'd like to add in one more, body transformed, but mind still intact are considered ASFR to me.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on May 14, 2013, 12:15:45 AM
Sorry, I've been extremely busy these past few weeks so I haven't had time to deal with some of the stuff on the Wiki at all.  A poll is nice in helping us guide this wiki, so thanks for setting it up.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on May 16, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
OK, I've added my vote to the poll.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: slam422 on May 17, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
I've gone ahead & added my two cents to the poll; just doing my part to help put everything into perspective.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on May 21, 2013, 09:03:22 PM
The survey might as well put into the wiki, we may get some feedback from the viewers out there.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on May 25, 2013, 05:08:40 PM
I'm sorry, I have no time these days to work on the Wiki...


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on May 25, 2013, 11:47:55 PM
Yeah, unlike when I was in college, I have people kind of floating around me during the day and at night, I'm typically distracted by other things so I don't have much time to work on it.  Plus, a lot of the scenes I want to put on there I don't have any good information on/can't get decent pictures at all that aren't from the forbidden blog.  Sorry I haven't been of more help recently.

Also, is there a way we can see the current results of the poll (as in a link that updates each time someone takes it or whatnot)?  I'll post the poll onto the front page of the wiki since nobody else has if there's a better way to see how many people have taken it and the results.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on May 31, 2013, 08:17:35 PM
In a Comment on my Petites Femmes article, Dimbulb is demanding the removal of images on the grounds of nudity: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Les_Petites_Femmes_Tome_3_(aka_The_Mini-Girls_Volume_3

The only nudity in these images before editing was ONE bare male butt and ONE bare boob, and I've completely covered them with black boxes. I replied to Dimbulb that unless he's a Wikia moderator he doesn't make the rules and the images will stay unless I receive word to the contrary. I'm not sure who Dimbulb is, but he does seem to have a thing about nudity. I'm just annoyed that after going to the trouble of removing any potentially offensive content I'm still being told the images are offensive.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Cyrus on May 31, 2013, 08:25:12 PM
Think he just gets his kicks from being a pain in everyone's ass.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on May 31, 2013, 10:44:03 PM
The funny thing is I don't think he still realizes yet the point of a wiki is to have everybody working together since he keeps raising a fuss when I edit his stuff and he refuses to edit others' pages.

Either way, he's on very thin ice.  If he responds harshly to me or you this time, he's being banned for a week.  I started this whole thing out by trying to be nice and asking him to clean his stuff, and he's just been a pain the whole time.  I'm sick of it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on June 03, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
To update everyone, I've banned Dimbulb for a week for both not following the rules and being overly rude while fighting against said rules.  I'd like to take this time to thank everybody else who has so far followed the rules to the best of their ability and have made significant contributions to the wiki.

Now for the bad news:  given the nature of his last message and his past messages, I realized a potential problem that may need to be addressed in the near future (albeit possibly only temporarily):  if he is able to access the site and post without being logged in or from a different IP address, I may have to set it so I have to make you an approved user to make edits.  This potentially hurts anybody going forward who thinks about helping out but doesn't want to make an account, but it's the only way to address this should it become bad enough.  I'm not going to do it at the first sign of trouble and will make a posting on here regarding it, but I'm just giving a heads up in case.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on June 04, 2013, 05:29:59 AM
About Dimbulb: Feel free to manage this situation as you feel like. He deserves his ban, in my opinion.

Anyway, about the restriction of editing pages for non-logged in users, perhaps we could create a page which everyone can edit, for that matter, in which they can suggest changes with no need to be logged in. Later, any registered user can check that page and add the changes to the articles listed there, and clean it for future uses.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on June 04, 2013, 10:16:29 PM
Well, I figure we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.  So far, he's just taken to my deviantART page with the equivalent of a "He's a meanie" post so we'll see if the wiki itself becomes affected in the future.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Cyrus on June 04, 2013, 11:05:16 PM
So he's that art thief snople?  Guess that figures.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on June 05, 2013, 04:36:00 AM
If there's any way to ban by IP address (or even better, in case of dynamic IP, by device ID), I'd apply it as soon as possible. Otherwise, he'll keep coming back. Report him and get him banned in dA, too.

Anyway, we shouldn't worry about this, I think he'll get tired of it sooner than any of us will.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on June 05, 2013, 09:14:09 AM
I think the default banning system bans his IP address. Also, right now, he's still banned for just a week, but if his attitude doesn't change (it probably won't), it'll be permanent.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on June 14, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
I think the default banning system bans his IP address. Also, right now, he's still banned for just a week, but if his attitude doesn't change (it probably won't), it'll be permanent.

Yeah, don't look now, but...


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Cyrus on June 14, 2013, 08:27:42 PM
"Who's a thief" he asks?  Well, he is.  Best example is probably here http://snople.deviantart.com/art/Medusariffic-046-023-354658439


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on June 14, 2013, 10:38:37 PM
Even if he is an art thief, I'd prefer for that argument to stay off the wiki.  Handle it on deviantART.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Cyrus on June 15, 2013, 01:49:32 AM
Oh I have no intention of arguing with him anywhere.  Just making sure you guys know the kind of guy you're dealing with.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on June 15, 2013, 03:37:00 AM
Can't we just ignore him instead? While keep editing/deleting his 'contribution' in the wiki lol.

Anyway, since some of us here had worked into editing the ASFR clips, is it a good idea to include the download link in the wiki?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on June 15, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Sure, if you've got videos and download links for them, just throw them in the links sections of the respective articles.

EDIT:  Also, does anybody find the Example page's directions too confusing?  I know Dimbulb doesn't follow them, but does anybody else have problems understanding it?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on June 28, 2013, 05:03:54 AM
The rules page is straightforward as it is. Furthermore, I usually looks at templates used by finished pages which I then used it on my contributions, which means it is all standardized and neat.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 04, 2013, 07:25:46 AM
Is it possible to export scenes & descriptions from the old Master List? I mean, getting screenshots/scans from there which then we credits the original uploader in the Wiki?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 04, 2013, 10:06:51 PM
I've honestly never seen this old master list that's been mentioned so I can't say.

This did remind me to ask if we should have articles for recurring characters that have ASFR features in multiple media, like Mr. Freeze.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: slam422 on July 05, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
Hey, I just uploaded my first contribution to the Wiki last night, but I'm not sure if my addition is in line with the rules (I've never made an article on a wiki before, so this is all new to me).

Can someone tell me if my post is fine or not? Here's the link: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Sally_%26_Bunnie_Crystalization_(Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(SatAM)_-_Season_2,_episode_8:_"The_Void")


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 05, 2013, 11:56:24 AM
I've honestly never seen this old master list that's been mentioned so I can't say.

This did remind me to ask if we should have articles for recurring characters that have ASFR features in multiple media, like Mr. Freeze.

Here it is:- http://www.many-realms.net/master-list/

Exporting sources from the site, which means that we credit it as the source via a footnote/reference section at the foot of each page just like Wikipedia.

Recurring ASFR-related characters, don't think that media have too many of them but could well be put into the wiki alongside with background, appeared scenes etc. I do concern a bit about the housekeeping section, as sometimes I thought that was too many articles in need of help.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 05, 2013, 12:00:34 PM
Hey, I just uploaded my first contribution to the Wiki last night, but I'm not sure if my addition is in line with the rules (I've never made an article on a wiki before, so this is all new to me).

Can someone tell me if my post is fine or not? Here's the link: http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Sally_%26_Bunnie_Crystalization_(Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(SatAM)_-_Season_2,_episode_8:_"The_Void")

As long as you follow the template it is OK I guess. Did feel that the top picture (beside the description) messed up the article formatting a bit. Think need StoneLad to clarify.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 05, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
It's mostly fine, there's just a few nitpicky things that need fixing:  The name isn't in the correct format (although I think only admins can change that anyways), the links section should be above the screenshots, and the screenshots could use a bit less...conversational tone.  It should more focus on what's happening rather than things like how many tries it took you to get the screenshot right and "I wonder what she's thinking" stuff.  Other than that, keep up the good work!

Also, sorry for not being more active on fixing this wiki but I started a job about a month and a week ago which has severely limited the amount of time I can do ASFR related stuff.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: slam422 on July 05, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Yeah, that conversational thing with the screens was kinda something that I do mostly without thinking. Like I said, it was my first time actually adding an article to a Wiki so I wasn't really sure what would fly or not. If it hasn't been edited yet, I'll go back & fix things up.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on July 06, 2013, 08:15:04 PM
Made a couple of edits to dimbulb's latest article ( http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/DR_WAVERLYS_PEOPLE ). Basically it was just three comic pages with only a minuscule description saying it was an EC comic about a madman who freezes people (in ice) - and not following the template. I found a bit of additional info on the net - number of pages, artist, original publication (Charlton, it turns out, not EC, although that's an easy mistake to make) and arranged the images into a Gallery.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on July 06, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
This did remind me to ask if we should have articles for recurring characters that have ASFR features in multiple media, like Mr. Freeze.

I would say I'm for having characters pages about characters that trigger freezes on the wiki. That way if a person liked the concept of that character he/she could visit a page that would contain additional information about that character and links to the comics or scenes that that character is in. Of course this would follow a modified version of the example page that a certain member of the wiki seems to continue to ignore.

Speaking of that gent... I will confront this dimbulb chap about the rules as he seems to ignore the other admins. I doubt he will listen, but it's worth a shot. If he does ignore another temp ban might be necessary. If he returns and continues to break the rules after that the ban hammer will fall and he will not be returning.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 16, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
Dimbulb has requested that all of his contributed material be removed from the wiki.  If anybody can help out in taking it down, I'd appreciate it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on July 16, 2013, 09:06:24 PM
That's a shame. He may not have got the rules, but at least he did add a few relevant titles. At least save the images and article titles for future reference.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 16, 2013, 09:08:42 PM
I won't save the images but I'll jot down the article titles as I take care of them.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on July 17, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
I only suggest saving the images because it might be hard to find alternative sources for them.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 17, 2013, 12:38:58 PM
It's a shame really as his sources seems difficult to find. If only he can follow the guidelines given really.

Can also took this opportunity to clean up the wikis a bit. Which means, some of the images may need to be removed due to things such as obsolete, or high quality images become available. I will try looking at it later on, but can normal users do administrative things like deleting pictures or such?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 17, 2013, 06:56:13 PM
I don't think so, I think you can only remove images from pages.  Deleting images is an awfully tedious process too and not done very well natively by Wikia.  I had to install a plugin to delete multiple files at a time.

Honestly, I don't think I'm going to fully delete the pictures quite yet as it's such a pain to do.  Right now, I'm removing them and any content provided solely by him.  Articles he created but were touched up by me/someone else are staying but losing images.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 18, 2013, 05:11:41 AM
Noticed that one of Dimbulb's former contribution (http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur) is related to one in the old Master List. Will try to do the entry and upload related scans to the Wiki, which is taken from the Master List. Will put the references to the original old Master List as a credit to them.

If everyone approve it I will try to continue the same with other materials from the old Master List later.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: Leem10538a on July 18, 2013, 10:15:26 AM
Noticed that one of Dimbulb's former contribution (http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur) is related to one in the old Master List. Will try to do the entry and upload related scans to the Wiki, which is taken from the Master List. Will put the references to the original old Master List as a credit to them.

If everyone approve it I will try to continue the same with other materials from the old Master List later.

Sounds good to me. After all, we're trying to be a successor to the Master List.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on July 18, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Done. How about it?

http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur_-_Vol._01_-_Issue_6_/_7


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on July 18, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
Looks great, thanks!


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: wazzupg on August 12, 2013, 11:47:51 PM
More than likely this idea is going to be shot down, but I feel a need to bring it up anyways.

Should we possibly consider allowing male freezes to be added to the wiki? I know that male asfr does not appeal to almost all of the people on this forum, but I know there are people out there who would appreciate it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on August 13, 2013, 07:11:02 AM
I don't see why not.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on August 13, 2013, 07:18:48 AM
I disagree. IMO for male freeze should be done separately, such as having their own wikis. Then we can link it within this ASFR wiki.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on August 13, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
Well, if we want it to be comprehensive, it should include both.  You could always have male be its own category or something.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on September 22, 2013, 09:13:54 AM
I'm having difficulties in constructing a navigation box, like the one in Pretty Cure articles.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on September 22, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
Alright, which series are you trying to make it for?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on September 23, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
For the Teen Titans series, since the wiki have several related articles already. Same for Saint Seiya aswell.

Is there any ready made template available? Wikia's coding is confusing me...


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: StoneLad on September 23, 2013, 10:16:33 PM
It's been a while since I've made one, but I *think* you may have to be an admin to do it.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on December 10, 2013, 01:51:01 AM
For manga scene, should we posted only the link to the manga hosting site or include the scanned page of the scene as well? Is it the same for comics?

Cause I'm a little worried about copyright context as I believe that I've read about that somewhere in this thread.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: SuddenlyStone on October 01, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
I'm in favor of having different tags for the genders. Maybe "Male Only", "Female Only", and "Both Genders" or something along those lines. I don't know if it's possible to make it so people could search based on tags like that but if it could be done that might be a way to include male clips without forcing people who aren't interested to see them.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on October 02, 2014, 12:45:38 PM
Well after thinking about it then yeah, the male ASFR content can be put in the wiki also. It is definitely possible to differentiate and search it by the tags.

Furthermore that hopefully will encourage more people to contribute to the wiki. Would really like for the wiki to be cleaned out a bit at some point.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on December 02, 2016, 05:14:56 AM
So, quick glance at the wiki now - quite a mess, I think.

For a start, doesn't the category list is a bit too bloated?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on December 02, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
So, quick glance at the wiki now - quite a mess, I think.

For a start, doesn't the category list is a bit too bloated?

It could be so much better. Enforcing rules hasn't been effective in the past, so what you can see now is the result of this lack of coordination, since people have refused to be coordinated.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: zero on December 19, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
So given the amount of spam, besides making more users able to delete articles is there a way to grant them the ability to block users? We just flat out don't have enough people able to block checking the site right now. Might need to disable anonymous posting too.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on January 24, 2017, 04:49:53 PM
Currently still filtering the categories list. Any feedback are much welcomed.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: boundy22 on January 25, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
Thanks for opening up this discussion

I want to ask if there is a way to search for multiple categories at the same time and only display the results with those categories , for example i want to search for petrified females so i want a way to combine in seach the "Petrification" category and "Female" category , that way we won't worry about the big smount of gender specific categories

As for additions then i have a suggestion , how about adding a category for victims (for my case women) who after getting any type of asfr treatment or even being in suspended animation ( like lost in space case or kiss the girls and make them die case ) gets put inside a pod or a glass case and put into display whether in front of the villains to be proud of their victims collection or in front of a crowd or at the very least gets lined up and displayed without a pod or glass case like in Wonder Woman Case , A name for this Category could be "Displayed" or something like that and I hope you can come up with a better name :D


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on January 25, 2017, 02:44:14 PM
Thanks for opening up this discussion

I want to ask if there is a way to search for multiple categories at the same time and only display the results with those categories , for example i want to search for petrified females so i want a way to combine in seach the "Petrification" category and "Female" category , that way we won't worry about the big smount of gender specific categories

As for additions then i have a suggestion , how about adding a category for victims (for my case women) who after getting any type of asfr treatment or even being in suspended animation ( like lost in space case or kiss the girls and make them die case ) gets put inside a pod or a glass case and put into display whether in front of the villains to be proud of their victims collection or in front of a crowd or at the very least gets lined up and displayed without a pod or glass case like in Wonder Woman Case , A name for this Category could be "Displayed" or something like that and I hope you can come up with a better name :D

Admittedly I'm still not familiar with the Wikia structure, but when googling around seems that feature is not available within Wikia. Perhaps @StoneLad can have a word about this.

For the suggestion, we will consider it. But, at the moment that category isn't guaranteed a place in the wiki yet. Thanks! Feel free to throw any more opinions in the future.


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on January 25, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
Planning to do a new category to differentiate human & non-human ASFR.
Proposed name is Humanoid or Non-Humanoid.

Thinking that some superhero may or may not be considered as Human, so maybe any other better name can be applied for both categories?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: boundy22 on January 25, 2017, 05:02:57 PM

Admittedly I'm still not familiar with the Wikia structure, but when googling around seems that feature is not available within Wikia. Perhaps @StoneLad can have a word about this.

For the suggestion, we will consider it. But, at the moment that category isn't guaranteed a place in the wiki yet. Thanks! Feel free to throw any more opinions in the future.

Thanks for your reply , I have another Question , there was a page or a category called Cyrosuspended or something like that that has a lot of scenes similar to the category i am suggesting but i can't find it right now so was it deleted ?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: petedav on January 26, 2017, 01:26:21 AM
Thanks for your reply , I have another Question , there was a page or a category called Cyrosuspended or something like that that has a lot of scenes similar to the category i am suggesting but i can't find it right now so was it deleted ?

It's still there.

http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Cryo-suspended


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: zero on May 28, 2018, 03:34:06 AM
I've offered up some code to tweak the wiki. If it's not working for people let me know, I can remove it.

http://asfr.wikia.com/wiki/Asfr_Wiki


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: IceCold11235 on August 30, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
Is it just me or is finding asfr content online getting harder and harder? Couple of years ago on Youtube you had guys like StatueConversionZone and Freezelover who, combined had thousands of videos, and often uploaded new ones, now both of those channels are pretty much dead. For a while there was this alderfek guy who made a couple of his own homemade videos that were pretty good considering the man had basically no budget, but then he disappeared along with his videos. What the hell is going on?


Title: Re: ASFR Wiki - General discussion thread
Post by: FrozetaShintoriFan on August 30, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
Is it just me or is finding asfr content online getting harder and harder? Couple of years ago on Youtube you had guys like StatueConversionZone and Freezelover who, combined had thousands of videos, and often uploaded new ones, now both of those channels are pretty much dead. For a while there was this alderfek guy who made a couple of his own homemade videos that were pretty good considering the man had basically no budget, but then he disappeared along with his videos. What the hell is going on?

I'm not too sure I agree with you. Any thoughts on scenes you can't find?

Here's a very active YouTube playlist with all the new stuff: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdB0IE0YpjjlxXL5lLEQDC6B2GrWWID8P